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Antique Victorian Renaissance Revival Neo-Classic cross pendant. 18k Gold, sapphires, spinels, tourmaline, pearls and enamel. Made in Great Britain United Kingdom circa 1870 by Phillips Brothers and Son - of Cockspur St. Unisex - can...
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Antique / vintage Christian pendant cross crucifix on gold chain necklace. 14k yellow gold, enamel and citrine. Exact origin is unknown, stylistic elements suggest a creation period ranging from the late Victorian era to the...
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Antique pendant locket. Gold and enamel. Quality of enamel is French, style is Louis XVI. Exact origin and date unknown - 18th to 2nd half 19th century, probably originating in France or possibly Great Britain. ...
Antique set of jewelry consisting of a cameo brooch and a pair of earrings mounted in 14 carat gold. Cameos are Victorian; Gold mounts possibly later - early 1900's. Measurements: Brooch / pendant is a...
antique earrings
Antique Georgian earrings. 18k gold, amethysts and small pearls. Made in England, circa 1830's. Measurements: Weight is 3.0 grams. Length: approximately 1 inch (3cm) excluding wires. Description : Medium sized dangle drop earrings. Surmounts...
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Antique Victorian pendant case or holder with hidden guillotine cutter. 18k gold pendant with sapphire, diamonds. 14k later chain. Made in France, circa 1880-90's. Measurements: Weight is 8.5 grams. Approximately 7/8inches (22mm) in diameter....
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Froment-Meurice Alfred Mayer. Antique Second Empire (Napoleon III) parure or jewelry set consisting of brooch-pendant and earrings. 18k gold, diamonds, pearls, enamel. Comes in fitted box signed Froment-Meurice and signed by enameller Alfred Meyer. Made...
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Antique Art Nouveau (late Victorian to early Edwardian) negligee necklace. 14k gold, silver, platinum, diamonds, peridot and pearls. Made in England, Great Britain, circa 1895 - 1905. Comes in fitted box. Independent appraisal. Measurements: Weight...
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Antique Georgian pendant. Silver, gold and diamonds. Made in France 18th century. Measurements: Weight is 5.1 grams. Approximately 1 inch (24mm) long, excluding the loop. Description : Border of rose cut diamonds forming an...
antique brooch
Antique Victorian brooch pendant. 14k yellow gold, hardstone cameo. Made in Rome, Italy 1886. Signed and dated by Luigi Rosi. Measurements: Weight is 4.3 grams. A little over a US size 7. Description : Oval...
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Antique Art Nouveau pendant folding pocket pen knife. Gold and steel. Made in Germany early 1900's. Measurements: Weight is 12.5 grams. A little over 2 1/4 inches (6cm) not including the loop.Length of one...
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Antique Victorian Napoleon III demi parure jewelry set. Consists of pendant and pendant earrings. 18k gold, diamonds, pearls and multi-layered hardstone cameos. Made in France, circa 1860-80's. Measurements: Weight is 18.8 grams. Brooch is approximately...
antique brooch
Antique Victorian brooch pendant. 14k Gold and crystal polychrome. Made in Great Britain, circa 1870-80's.Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman. Measurements: Weight is 18.7 grams. 1 1/2 inches from top to bottom...
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Antique Art Deco pendant necklace. 18k gold, 850 platinum, diamonds, sapphires. circa 1920 - 1925.Made in France. Independent appraisal available to new owner. Measurements: Weight is 4.6 grams. Length of pendant alone is approximately 1 5/8inches...
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Antique Victorian Napoleon III dragonfly insect pendant necklace. Gold, silver, diamonds, rubies, sapphire and enamel. Made in France, circa 1890. Measurements: Weight is 11.8 grams. Total length 20.5 inches (52cm). Dragonfly 6.3 x 3.2...
antique brooch
Antique Victorian brooch pendant. Gold diamond pearls. Made in England 2nd half of the 19th century. Suitable for a man or a woman. Comes with original, antique, fitted box. Measurements: Weight is 9.3 grams. Approximately 1...
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Antique Victorian gold and enamel pendant locket. Black and gold enamel and polychrome guilloche enamel. Almost certainly Swiss, made 19th century. Measurements: Weight is 8.6 grams. A tad over 1 inch in diameter (approximately 2.3cm)....
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Antique Georgian demi-parure jewelry set consisting of day-night top drop earrings a pendant cross and a necklace. 18k gold and paste. Made in France circa 1798-1819. Comes in original, fitted box. Measurements: Weight is 14.9...
Antique Victorian pendant with associated chain. Hardstone cameo, diamonds, pearls 14k gold. Made in Newark, New Jersy by Bippart, Bennett & Company, 1880-90's. Measurements: Weight is 19.4 grams. Length of pendant from top of bale...
antique earrings
Art Deco earrings / ear pendants. Diamonds, gold. Made circa 1930's in Barcelona, Spain, by Fuset y Grau. Come in their original Fuset y Grau fitted box. Measurements: Combined weight is 7.1 grams. Length...
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Antique Renaissance Revival Art Nouveau Art Deco pendant. 18k yellow gold, diamonds, a tiny amount of platinum, enamel and carved cameo. Made in Barcelona, Spain, early 20th century. Measurements: Weight is 10.6 grams. 2...
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Antique Art Nouveau pendant. Gold, diamonds, rubies, pearls, enamel and plique a jour enamel. Made early 1900's in Barcelona, Spain by Masriera. Signed. Unisex - can be worn by a man or a woman. Measurements:...
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Antique Edwardian pendant necklace. Gold, aquamarine, demantoid garnets, pearls and diamonds. Tiny amount of silver. Made circa 1900 - 1910 in England, the United Kingdom. The necklace comes with an independent appraisal. Measurements: Weight is...
Antique - vintage pendant. Natural jade. Believed to come from China early to mid 20th century. Measurements: Weight is 34.8 grams. 2 inches long, including the loop. (5.3cm) Description : Rounded shape that narrows towards...
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Antique Victorian Renaissance Revival Neo Classic Necklace with pendant. 14k Gold and enamel. Made in England circa 1870 with French gold hallmark (see Marks below). Measurements: Approximately 16 3/4 inches (42.5cm)...
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Antique Art Deco pendant. Platinum, diamonds, jade, onyx and pearls. Made in France circa 1920's (see date below). Signed Cartier. Measurements: Weight is 11.8 grams. Length, including the bale is a little under 3 1/2...
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Antique Georgian - early Victorian pendant cross. Gold, silver, diamonds. Made in Europe - Most likely Belgium late 18th to early 19th century. Independently appraised. Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman. Measurements:...
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Antique Renaissance pendant. 18k yellow gold, enamel. Made in Europe, with later French hallmarks 15th -16th century. Exhibited for a number of years in The Metropolitan Museum, Cloisters Archives. Unisex - suitable for a man...
antique brooch
Antique Victorian brooch pendant locket. 14k gold, enamel, pearls, diamonds. Made in England, Great Britain circa 1890's. Comes in antique fitted box. Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman. Measurements: Weight is 6.7...
antique brooch
Antique Art Nouveau brooch / enhancer pendant. 14k yellow gold, amethyst and emeralds. Made Newark, New Jersey circa 1895-1905 by Carter, Gough & Co. Measurements: Approximately 1 1/4 inches from side to side. Weighs 3.7...
antique brooch
Antique Victorian caduceus brooch pendant. Gold, silver, diamonds, emeralds, pearls. Made circa 1880. Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman.Independent appraisal. Measurements: Weight is 13.7 grams. 0.80ct colored stones; 5.4ct diamonds. Approximately 2x2inches....
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Antique / vintage Silver opening skull pendant, Memento Mori amulet or ornament. These skulls have been made since the 18th century - often holding watches. We do not know the exact age of this pendant,...
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Antique Georgian fob pendant with intaglio seal. 18k gold and chalcedony. Made in England, Great Britain, first quarter of 19th century. Made for a man, but today suitable for a man or a woman and...
Antique Victorian demi parure earrings pendant set. Gold, cabochon amethysts and tiny pearls. Made circa 1880. Origin unknown (possibly Great Britain or USA). Measurements: Weight is 13.5 grams. Earrings are approximately 1 1/2 (4cm) inches,...
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Antique Art Nouveau pendant. 14k gold, platinum, diamonds, pearls and shaded enamel. Believed to be made in the United Kingdom, circa 1900 - 1910. Measurements: Weight is 6.8 grams. Length of pendant approximately 2 3/4...
antique necklace
Antique late Victorian / Edwardian necklace possibly tiara. 15ct yellow gold, pearls, demantoid garnets. Made in the United Kingdom, circa 1895 - 1910. Measurements: Weight is 24.3 grams. Approximately 15 1/2 inches (40cm) long. Drop...
antique earrings
Antique earrings ear pendants. Platinum, aquamarine, diamonds. Made early 20th century. Most likely made in the United Kingdom. Have been independently appraised. Measurements: Weight is 8.3 grams. Length, not including wires is 1 7/8 inches...
antique brooch
Antique Georgian micromosaic brooch pendant locket. 14k gold, mosaics, glazed compartment. Made in Rome, Italy, late 18th to circa 1800. See comments on outer border below. Measurements: Weight is 14.8 grams. 1 3/8 inches (3.5cm)...
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Antique late Baroque pendant collar or stomacher. 19k gold and natural pearls. Made in Venice, Italy, circa 1680. Measurements: Weight is 11.8 grams. 4 1/2 inches (11.5cm) long. 2 1/4 inches (5.5cm) across from top...
Antique vintage jade pendant. Light green celadon jade. Believed to originate in China, early to mid 20th century. Measurements: Weight is 28.0 grams. 3 inches long (a little under 8cm). Description : A large leaf-shaped...
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Antique pendant. 22k yellow gold, rubies, emeralds and white sapphires. Made in India. Well over 100 years old - see below. Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman.Independent appraisal. Measurements: Weight is 23.9...
antique brooch
Antique brooch pendant. 18k gold, enamel, agate hardstone cameo. Made in France by Louis Wiese, circa 1890. Unisex - suitable to be worn by a man or a woman. Measurements: Weight is 10.9 grams. Approximately...
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Antique Jugendstil Art Nouveau pendant on chain. 800 Silver and chrysoprase. Pendant made in Pforzheim, Germany circa 1910 - 1914 by Theodor Fahrner. The chain was made in Paris, France. Measurements: Pendant measures just under 2...
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Antique Art Deco pendant sautoir. Marcilhac 1652, mold number 1359 orange-red glass and silk cords. Made in Paris, France by Rene Lalique circa 1920. Measurements: Weight is 32.2 grams including the silk thread. Height of...
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Antique pendant. Made circa 1900 - 1910 Edwardin Belle Epoque era. Platinum, 18k gold, diamonds, pearls. Bought in Hungary and with later Hungarian hallmarks (see below), but quality of work hints at England, France or...
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Antique Victorian Renaissance Revival earrings and pendant set in original fitted box. 18k Gold, enamel, diamonds and natural pearls. Made by Carlo Giuliano and still in its original Hunt and Roskell box. Made in England,...
Antique, Art Deco pendant necklace. Peridot, natural pearls, platinum and gold. Made 1920's. Peridot is 1.25ct. Measurements: length of gold chain 15 inches; length of pendant 45mm (over 1 3/4inches); weight 4.2grams; peridot approximately 1.18-1.30ct...
Antique necklace. Sapphires and pearls set in 15 carat gold. Made in England, circa 1900 - 1920. Measurements: chain without enhancer (pendant) is 16inches long. Enhancer is 2 1/8 inches long. Weighs 27.1grams. The chain...
Antique, Reversible Georgian Necklace / Pendant. Gold and Diamonds. Made early 18th century - 1700 - 1750. Measurements: Just under 2inches (50mm) long. Largest diamond is about 5mm long (site). Weighs 9 grams. Made of...
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Antique Brooch / Pendant / Necklace. 14k gold (56 zolotniks), 18k gold, silver (84 zolotniks), guilloche enamel, rose cut diamonds and a natural pearl (not tested). Made by Nikolai A. Antipenkov, active in Moscow, Russia...
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Antique Victorian necklace with cross pendant and heart locket slide. Gold, diamonds and enamel with some silver. Made in the United Kingdom circa 1845. Measurements: Weight is 15.7 grams. Approximately 18.5 (46cm) long. ...
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Antique late Victorian - Edwardian locket pendant. 14k gold, demantoid garnets and natural pearls. Made circa 1900. Measurements: 35mm long, excluding the bale, which adds approx 9mm to the length. Weighs 15 grams. Note: ruler...
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Antique Victorian cross pendant. 18k gold, guilloche enamel and natural pearls. Made in London, England circa 1880 by Carlo Giuliano. Measurements: Weight is 7.8 grams. 1 1/16th inches (3cm) long, not including the bale. Description...
Antique Victorian parure jewelry set consisting of dangle drop earrings and brooch/pendant. High carat gold (see below) and small natural seed pearls. Made in Southern Italy, 19th century. Bridal jewelry. Measurements: Weight is 16.6 grams....
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Antique Victorian Napoleon III locket pendant. 18k yellow gold, natural pearls and turquoise. Made in France, circa 1860 - 1880. Measurements: Weight is 23.0 grams. Length, not including bale is 1 1/2 inches (4cm). Description...
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Antique Victorian Napoleon III pendant locket. 18k yellow gold, diamonds, enamel and glass. Made in France circa 1860. Measurements: Weight is 7.8 grams. 6 Old European Cut diamonds measure 2.24ct and are light yellow diamonds....
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Antique Victorian jewelry set consisting of earrings and pendant. 9k gold, turquoise and tiny pearls. Most likely made in the United Kingdom, circa 1870-90. Measurements: Weight is 4.0 grams. Length of earrings is approximately 7/8...
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Antique Victorian pendant brooch. 18k gold, pearls, diamonds. Made in England circa 1880's. In custom fitted case. Measurements: Length is approximately 2 inches (5cm) including the bale. Weight is 16.7 grams. 1.61ct diamonds. ...
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Antique Victorian earrings ear pendants and pendant set / parure. 15ct gold, turquoise, pearls and some silver. Made in England, circa 1860. Measurements: Pendant is approximately 1 1/2 inches (3.75cm) long, including the loop....
antique brooch
Antique Victorian brooch pendant enhancer. 18k gold, carnelian, pearls, rubies and enamel. French made 19th century. Measurements: A little under 1 3/4 inches (42mm) long. Weight is 18.0 grams. Description : Slightly ovoid...
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Antique Georgian demi-parure set consisting of pendant earrings and a brooch-pendant. 15ct gold and foiled rock crystal. Made in the United Kingdom circa 1820-1830. Measurements: Combined weight is 15.6 grams. Earrings are 1 3/4 inches...
Antique Victorian Holbeinesque Jewelry Set. Renaissance Revival. Pendant and earrings. 18k yellow gold and enamel set with rock crystal, opals, half pearls and diamonds. English, circa 1870-80's. Measurements: Earrings approx 1 inch / 2.5cm long,...
Antique Edwardian Belle Epoque pendant. 18k yellow gold, diamonds, amethysts, pearls and seed pearls, silver. Made circa 1900 - 1914 almost certainly in England. Measurements: Weight is 5.5 grams. Total length, not including the bale...
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Antique Art Nouveau Belle Epoque pendant necklace. 14-18k gold, silver, platinum diamonds, pearls, peridot, amethyst. Made circa 1895 to 1915. Suffragette colors - see note below. Comes with associated chain. Independent appraisal. Measurements: Length of...
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Antique Art Nouveau pendant. 14-15ct gold, enamel and pearls. Made in England or USA, circa 1900. Measurements: Weight is 3.8 grams. Width of upper section is approximately 1 1/4inches (29mm). Description : A pair of...
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Antique Georgian girandole parure set earrings brooch pendant. Amethyst, rock crystal, silver and 14k gold. Made circa 1760's. Comes with very rare original fitted box. Jewelry of this period and style is usually associated with...
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Antique Georgian parure jewelry set. 18k gold and turquoise. Ear pendant earrings, necklace, Maltese Cross pendant, brooch, a pair of bracelets. Made in England, United Kingdom, circa 1820 - 1835 (see below). Comes in original,...
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Antique Victorian Renaissance Revival or Holbeinesque set parure earrings, brooch, pendants. 15ct gold, garnets and chrysoberyl. Made in England, circa 1860 - 80. Measurements: Weight is 23.8 grams. Length of brooch / pendants is...
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Antique Georgian brooch with detachable parts (pendant and earrings). 14k gold, amethysts, diamonds, silver. Made circa 1790. Comes in antique, fitted box. Measurements: Weight is 21.10 grams. Total length is approximately 3 inches....
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Antique Victorian pendant. 15k yellow gold, diamond, pearl and turquoise. Made in England circa 1850-1870. Measurements: Length, not including the bale is 2cm (3/4inch). Weighs 2.8 grams. Full of Victorian symbolism, this pendant is as...
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Antique Arts and Crafts pendant. 14k gold, tourmaline and natural pearls. Made circa 1890-1910, possibly in America. Measurements: the tourmaline measures 11.19ct; Largest pearl is 7.0mm, smallest is 2mm. Weight 8.7grams. Description: Oval pink tourmaline,...
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Antique Victorian Micromosaic suite, consisting of earrings and pendant on a chain. Made in Italy, circa 1870-80. Measurements: Each piece approximately 1 1/2 inches long. Earrings are elongated kite shaped; pendant similarly elongated, but round...
Antique Edwardian lavalier pendant necklace. 18k yellow gold, peridot and natural pearls. Made circa 1900 - 1910 in England. Measurements: 7.15ct Peridot. Weight is 7.0 grams. Length approximately 15 1/2 inches (39cm) and drop is...
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Antique Georgian pendant brooch. 14k gold and carnelian. English, made first quarter of 19th century. Measurements: Weight is 7.5 grams. Total length approximately 2 1/2 inches (6cm); carnelian padlock alone measures 1 inch (2.7cm)....
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Antique Victorian Pendant Necklace Locket. 18k yellow gold, garnets, sapphire, pearls. Made circa 1860-80. Measurements: Length of locket/pendant is approximately 4 1/2 cm or 6cm including the bale. Length of chain is approximately 44cm. Weighs...
Antique Georgian / very early Victorian jewelry set parure suite. Pair of earrings, necklace, cross pendant, girandole brooch - pendant and pair of bracelets. 15k yellow gold, garnets and turquoise. Made in England first half...
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Antique Georgian romantic pendant brooch. Gold, topaz, pearls, garnet. Made circa 1800 - first quarter 19th century. Measurements: Weight is 7.5 grams. Distance from top to botto of heart drop is 1 5/8 inch (approx...
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Antique / vintage pendant. High carat gold (at least 22k) diamonds, baroque pearl and the reverse with minakari / minaar enamel. Made in India, 19th - first half of 20th century. Total length is...
Antique very early Victorian demi parure jewelry set consisting of earrings brooch pendants. Pink topaz, diamonds, gold, silver. Made circa 1840. Believed to be English. Comes in two S.J. Phillips London boxes. Measurements: Earrings approximately...
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Late Georgian Necklace with removable Cross Crucifix pendant. 15k gold, garnets. Made in England, late 18th to early 19th century. Measurements: Length of necklace is 16inches (41cm). Pendant, excluding the loop is 2 1/4 inches...
antique brooch
Vintage Tiffany and Company brooch pendant. Diamonds, platinum and 18 karat yellow gold. Made in Paris, France, circa 1970's. Measurements: Length 38mm ( 1 1/2inches) and weighs 16grams. Consists of 3 Marquise Diamonds weighing .70...
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Antique Victorian Classic Roman and Renaissance Revival pendant. 18k gold, diamonds, enamel and hardstone cameo. Made in Paris by Jules Wiese circa 1840-60's. Measurements: Weight is 14.5 grams. 2 1/4 inches (6cm) long. Description...
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Revivalist antique Victorian pendant. 18k yellow gold, opals, sapphires and enamel. Made in United Kingdom by Carlo and Arthur Giuliano circa 1895 - 1900. Measurements: Weight is 13.7 grams. Total length is approximately 3 inches...
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Antique Victorian Renaissance Revival cross pendant. 18k yellow gold, citrines and sapphires. Made in England, circa 1895 - 1914 by Carlo and Arthur Giuliano. Measurements: Weight is 3.9 grams. Not including the bale, the length...
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Antique Victorian Art Nouveau pendant. Diamonds, turquoise, platinum and 14k gold. Made circa 1890-1905. Measurements: 1 3/4 inches (4.5cm) across. Weighs 8.4 grams. Description : Typical of the greatest imaginations of the late...
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Antique late Georgian necklace and detachable cross pendant. 18k yellow gold, turquoise and garnets. Made in England circa 1820 -1830. In a later Garrard & Co fitted box. Measurements: Weighs 34 grams. Length of necklace...
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Antique Victorian Renaissance Revival Pendant Necklace. 15ct yellow gold, rubies and emeralds. Made in England by John Brogden circa 1880. Comes in N. Bloom & Sons box. Measurements: Length of chain is 16inches (41cm). Length...
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Antique Vintage Rene Lalique pendant. Made of glass with gold chain. Made in France early 2th century (see below). Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman. Measurements: Total weight is 28.0 grams. Length...
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Antique Georgian Maltese Cross pendant necklace. 15 carat gold, chalcedony, sapphire, glass and hair. Made in the United Kingdom 1820-1825. Comes with an antique 15ct gold chain. Has been independently appraised. Measurements: total weight is...
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Vintage - antique Arts & Crafts Star of David Magen David Pendant and chain necklace. 14k yellow gold and enamel. Made first half of the 20th century. Measurements: Chain approximately 18 1/2 inches (50cm) long....
Pendant Brooch Pin. 18k white gold sapphire and coral. Estate piece made circa 1980's. Measurements: approximately 1 1/2 inches (4.5cm) across. Weighs 18grams. Approximately 3 cts sapphires. Coral 30X20mm and 5X2mm. Brooch-pendant in the Renaissance...
Antique Victorian pendant locket. 18k gold, diamonds, onyx, silver. Made late 19th century - circa 1880's - 90's. Measurements: Weight is 30.6 grams. Length is approximately 2 1/2 inches (a little over 6cm). Description :...
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Vintage signed collar Necklace. 18k white gold and diamonds. Made in France by Dinh Van circa 1970's and since then retired. Measurements: total length is approximately 16 1/4 inches (41.5cm). Weighs 17.7 grams. Description: This...
antique brooch
Antique, Art Nouveau Brooch Pendant. 18k yellow gold, platium and diamond. Made in France by Lucien Janvier, circa 1900. Measurements: Weight is 9.6 grams. Distance at widest point is a little over 1 1/4 inches...
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Antique Georgian necklace with St. Esprit pendant. 18k gold, enamel, paste. Made in France in the Cevenne Region (south west France), 1819-1838. Measurements: Weight is 7.4 grams. Length is 20 inches (51cm). Description : Necklace...
Antique Georgian cross pendant. Silver and gems known as jargoons in France (natural zircons) found in 18th century jewelry. Made in France 1700's. Unisex - suitable for a man or a woman. Measurements: Weight is...
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Antique Georgian picture locket pendant or fob with padlock and key on a chain. 18k Gold. French hallmarks, made 1819-1838. Measurements: Weight is 13.8 grams. The picture locket is approximately 1 3/8 inches (slightly...
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Antique, late Victorian pendant. 18k yellow Gold, Rose Cut Diamonds, Sapphire and Enamel. Made by Carlo and Arthur Giuliano (sons of Carlo Giuliano), circa 1890's, London, England. Measurements: Approximately 1 1/2 inches (a little under...
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Antique Renaissance cross pendant with later Victorian pendant case. Cross is cloisonne enamel. Case is 18k yellow gold. Cross pendant dates to the 16th century and was probably made in Venice. Case made in Birmingham,...
Antique Victorian brooch pendant enhancer. 18k gold, cabochon garnets and hardstone cameo. Made in France circa 1860-80. Measurements: Length is approximately 1 5/8 inches (40mm). Weight is 16.4 grams. Description : Classic Revival jewel that...
